Ron Paul And Gay Rights
Author: Michael Kraft
“we dont get our rights because we are “gay or women or minorities”, we get our rights as indiviuals”
- Ron Paul
I am not thinking about all gay rights but more just the answer to the “gays in the Military issue” that was posed to the candidates tonight.
It is unfortunate that Ron Paul got his teeth into the answer before the rest could try to answer.
Ron Paul delivered an answer so profound and exactly to the point that it was hard not to feel choked up by his understanding of Americans.
Ron Paul said he doesn’t think about the policies as they pertain to groups, people are not groups people are themselves individuals and what group you say they belong to doesn’t define them.
He said policy will be base on behaviors and not grouping as that is a biggoted line of thinking in itself.
These are not his exact words but he clearly and thinking in his answer.
If homosexual behavior disrupts the military it should be removed and if heterosexual behavior disrupts the military it too should be removed.
Ron Paul understand human rights and is so basic, honest and refreshing that he stands out on a stage of lifetime politicians and wannabe politicians.
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Ron Paul And Gay Rights
“we dont get our rights because we are “gay or women or minorities”, we get our rights as indiviuals”
- Ron Paul
I am not thinking about all gay rights but more just the answer to the “gays in the Military issue” that was posed to the candidates tonight.
It is unfortunate that Ron Paul got his teeth [...]
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Yes. Thank you!
Thanks!! Ron Paul wins again!
This is so simple that even a 5 year old should understand. Group rights keep people divided so politicians can take advantage of us
Ron Paul, the lone Republican in the the whole debate.
I don’t think Ron Paul ever has to prepare for a debate, besides getting some sleep and a good meal, because he doesn’t have to equivocate. He just tells the truth. The sad thing is most people are stupid and are more impressed by Guiliani’s jackasserie. I mean, didn’t anyone feel insulted by the rest of the candidates?
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I’m gay and an individual…. I think Mr. Paul is onto something.
Yes, I continue to be amazed by Ron Paul’s talent of breaking things down into logical terms. Other politicians meddle in irrelevant rhetoric, while Ron Paul gets to the point. The man sees the big picture and knows that “the issues” are all inter-connected. The other so-called Republicans in the race treat each issue in an isolated manner.
We need a lot more of Ron Paul in this country. He really is a guiding light. Tune in, Turn on and Vote!
Andrew, I am a conservative and I support your rights as much as every other person in our nation. Ron Paul is complete in his love for the constitution and its support of all Americans in one equal way.
Rep. Ron Paul, M.D. has made yet another ER quality diagnosis. Taking it a bit further, the issue of Gay marriage, in my opinion is moot. If a Lutheran marries a Catholic without the permission of the church, the church doesn’t recognize the marriage. So does it matter whether the state recognizes it? Now, property rights is the real issue here. If someone owns private property, or pays for benefits, that’s their property. So they can give it to their wife, gay lover, their dog or horse for all I care. It’s their property. When the state recognizes a union, it’s endorsing either religion or irreligion. It’s better if the state just stayed out of marriage and focused on protecting an individual’s private property rights.
I just Ron was able to speak more. He was the sole doctor on the stage yet was not asked about abortion or health care, that really makes no sense to me. Maybe he’ll make it on more one-on-one type shows. I sure hope so, Go Ron Paul!
Thank you for a great article. I am glad that people of a more liberal background are catching on to Dr Paul. The answer is simple whether you are gay or straight: keep governmant the hell away from you.
This country is here so that evrything we talked about tonight can be talked about,and if this war lasts any longer we may be talking about a draft and then they wont care if wear pantyhose and lipstick you’ll be on a boat or a plane or a tank somewhere.
Ron Paul has such a great way of explaining things in simple terms. He knows the constution backwards and forwards and has always stuck to his guns. I’m a Democrat and the only other guy I like is Kucinich. Both are not controlled by big business, that’s why they have no money and tell the truth.
Good article.
To the poster who noted that Dr. Paul doesn’t need to prepare for debates:
I’ve been saying that for a while now. He is so well read and so bright that all he has to do is tell the truth.
The fact that the MSM burys him so quickly is really telling as to how pervasive the ties between the two party system, big business and the military industrial complex really are.
If you want to help Ron Paul, please register to vote as a Republican (yes, I understand that it can be difficult) and make sure to vote for him in the Primary.
Ok…here’s how simple it is. A nation divided is easily conquered, as is a family, etc. So, let’s use the media, talk-radio, and work on dividing Americans. Let’s pit whites against Mexicans and blacks; gays against christians; atheists against those who believe in God, to name a few examples. Then, to muck the waters, lets try and scare the crap out of them with a 24/7 Terror (Fox) News Network – we’ll get ‘em worked into a frenzy. Then, while they’re looking over their shoulder, and trying to strangle each other, lets steal the frikkin nation right out from under their stupid, dumbed-down little noses. Right. Well, I say it’s time for all Americans to unite and go after the REAL terrorist in our country – those in government that have perpetrated the lie and have worked to cause this division. This is the last wake-up call that Americans will likely get – and unless we make something big happen with the Dr. of Freedom, Ron Paul…you can put a fork in us – we’re done. Will the last American out, please turn out the lights?
They are Censoring Ron PAul!!! avoided asking him questions on the debate in fair share and then pulled his victory online via “the who won blog” and the online voting section.
On top of it, Ron one at 53% with over 1700 votes
with rudy and Mckain trailing with 400 votes and at 13%
post show they said rudy won the online poll and ron paul only had 2% votes.
Spread the word…. Ron Paul is worth censoring by the biggest news company in our country and around the world? why?
go checkout his youtube videos or his website.
why else?
Thanks for elaborating on the response RP gave on this issue. I was going to do so myself but you summed it up quite well so I’ll just link ya on my blog. Thanks again, take care.
Yes, it is very necessary to register as a Republican and to support Ron Paul financially and in any other way you can.
Yep. People are catching on. It’s very simple…follow the Constitution and read and have an understanding of what it means to have “inalienable” rights and everything else falls into place naturally. But you’re right, Dr. Ron Paul has a way of cutting to the heart of an issue that continues to astound me. I agree with the other that say we need to register Republican if your state requires it and VOTE in the primary for Ron Paul. If you want American politics to go back to the way it was before, fine, don’t do it, but if you’d rather heard brilliance like this for the next 4 years, help out Ron Paul any way you can. Please.
Ron Paul speaks the truth and it’s powerful. I am so unused to hearing it from politicians. It’s very refreshing. Thank you for the article.
I love Ron Paul because he broke the wicked spell that has hung over me since 9-11. I was in the twin towers having lunch just days before 9-11. I then went around for years yelling “the sky is falling, the sky is falling” just like Glenn Beck and Shaun Hannity. When Shaun and others said “they hate us because we are free”, I tried to believe it, but that life was a living death! Then I listened to Ron Paul say 1.”No, they hate us because we are in their country and have been bombing them.
2. We are now into huge debt to China to pay for this war.
3. We just marched into Iraq so we can just march out.
Today I chuckle chuckle chuckle when I hear they hate us because we are free. The spell is broken. Ron Paul is my hero!!!!
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Who IS Ron Paul? They still need to know!!
NOBODY explains Ron Paul
BETTER than Ron Paul himself!
Here is an interactive audio archive of
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I have watched all the debates of both parties. The only democratic candidate I can support without reservation is Kucinich. The only republican is Paul. Paul won all three debates, yet nary a word of these victories in the analysis by the talking heads. Neither of these candidates will win their party’s nomination. I doubt seriously that Ron Paul could find a suitable running mate in the republican party. I dream of a Paul/Kucinich ticket… then I wake up and weep for my lost country.
I totally agree. Our rights are given by our Creator, not based on what group we belong to.
Ron Paul is winning the CNN poll right now, the MSNBC poll, and 2nd in an AOL poll. I can guarantee you no pundit will mention him today though.
RON PAUL IS A MAJOR CANDIDATE!!!
I don’t understand why most Ron Paul supporters have trouble speaking English properly, including this blogger. Is it because they get so excited and passionate that they overlook things? Could someone please help me understand why this is?
Joseph, you must be hearing things. You’re reading text…Go easy on the halucinaginics.
Ron Paul Supporter’s spelling:
halucinaginics
Proper spelling:
hallucinogenics
*thanks for making my point Tbone.
We are loosing our County to the North American NEO-CONMEN. Ron Paul is totally against this. He is our only hope to save America and our Constitution from the Globilist ONE WORLD Government, Restore our dollar and save it from becomming the Amero Dollar. Now is really our last chance and hope to restore this great country so many people faught and died for.
Please people save yourself, your families and our Country from extinction, and vote for RON PAUL, or were done!
True Story: Ron Paul was so relaxed before the first debate that he toured the Reagan Library while all the other candidates were studying their notes.
People, if this man is to have a chance, you have to vote in your state’s primaries. You have to. You are all he has. He doesn’t have a multi-million dollar war chest, and the powers that be are counting us us netizens not really voting when it matters.
We are the last thin line between freedom and fascism.
PS: I can spell ok. It’s my typing that sucks.
You mean spelling english properly, not speaking. But yes, it is because the writing is rushed an unrehearsed, sdoes that really detract from the message for you?
Do you discount the message because of a mispelling?
That too would be hard to understand.
Have all of you checked out the fact that the gambling industry has reduced the odds of a Ron Paul Presidency from as high as 200:1 two weeks ago down to as little as 15:1 today?
Yet, by and large, the mainstream media continues to do its utmost to ignore Ron Paul altogether.
And what else should we expect?! The majority of them are either Republicans – who don’t like the manner in which Ron Paul pricks what is left of their conscience: or Democrats – who perceive their hopes for a 2008 victory on the Republicans failing to field an anti-war candidate.
Yes: we have to get out and vote in the primaries for Ron Paul. But TODAY we need to contribute…
IN LIBERTY!,
James Hines
I’m an avowed anarchist and to me, while Ron Paul still represents statism, if there ever was a way to be free politically, this man probably represents America’s last best hope.
I do not intend to vote for him (although for the first time ever, I’ve been tempted) but, I encourage all of you who do play the political game to do so. It appears that he is honest (never a bad thing), consistent and unafraid to speak truth to power. The power is in your hands.
Short of telling the last politician that leaves D.C. to turn out the lights, Ron Paul has been and probably will be the last opportunity to turn America around before circumstances (bankruptcy, overreaching militarism, erosion of civil liberties, etc.) takes away your ability to even make a choice. Consider this your last stop before chaos wins by default.
Thank you for the article.
I thought he answered with great acumen. How less divided we would be if we saw one another as individuals not groups.
I’ve never been so excited about a candidate as I am about Dr. Ron Paul.
RON PAUL is the man! Pure reason, pure principle, pure presidential behavior.
The “behvior” argument, as you have applied it to gays in the military simply doesn’t fly. By indicating “if homosexual behavior disrupts the military it should be removed” simply moves the focus of bigotry from a targeted person tot heir behavior – the bigotry and its aftermath remain the same. What we need to do is remove the bigotry from the military, not the gays.
If you read the whole post it says homo or hetero behavior that is disruptive should be treated the same.
The article says behavior and not groups define people.
Reread the article I wrote above John.
John said:
> The “behvior” argument, as you have
> applied it to gays in the military simply
> doesn’t fly.
With all due respect, I don’t think you understand what Paul was saying.
He’s talking about *disruptive* behavior. If a male and female officer are engaging in behavior that is disruptive to the entire unit, it has to be dealt with. If two men or two women are doing the same, it has to be dealt with in the same exact way.
Does being gay make you automatically disruptive to your unit? Of course not, but if some smartass is constantly hitting on all the homophobic members of his group, that is disruptive. How many gay men do this? Nearly 0, but it’s what the heterosexual men fear so much in the military. You address the behavior of individuals, and only that.
HMMM…what do you call it when everybody agrees on something,brainwashing,bi-partisanship,CONSENSUS?…It seems to me we Americans are all different BUT we are NOT so different that we can`t agree on the FACT that we are all born with INALIENABLE RIGHTS!!
Spot on!
Ron Paul has one of the clearest visions for the way policy should be created and enforced, but more importantly, he knows when policy should NOT be created. He seems thorough and understands the NATURE of conflicts, not just the current snapshot of the conflict from our perspective this moment. We need someone as thoughtful as he is in that big chair!
one more issue bite’s the dust. He’s got my vote!
Rubbish. Ron evaded like the rest of them. The issue is not about group rights but about individuals. Do individuals who are in the military deserve to be thrown out because they are gay. It had nothing to do with group rights. He was evading. Next, he falsely stated the current state of affairs that one had to be disruptive to be thrown out and he supported that regardless. An individual who is discovered to be gay, even if completely in line on behavior, can be thrown out and have been. So after evading the issue and turning it into something it wasn’t about he then falsely stated the current situation and said he supported the current policy. And at the end when asked if any candidate supported gays being allowed to serve in the military openly Paul kept his mouth tightly shut. He stated the conservative view but not the libertarian one.
He stated that sexual preference is not even a factor in consideration, performance as a soldier is independent of that he said.
He claerly said it is not even relevent to service, which is what the Gay Community needs to hear, why is it important to a soldier that serves well, why does it matter at all.
More support is needed!
I believe that sex of any kind is incompatible in the trenches and desert sands of warfare.
Gay males and women of all sexual orientations should be isolated and relegated to administrative non-combatant roles in the military.
Frustrated and rotten male heterosexual hormones produce the most uncorrupted killer instinct when the real deal goes down in combat.
Ron Paul has the largest share of the internet market for the republican party. Check it out.
“If homosexual behavior disrupts the military it should be removed and if heterosexual behavior disrupts the military it too should be removed.”
This is utterly ridiculous many years ago allowing African Americans or women in the military disrupted things, integration disrupted things. And I am very glad these situation weren’t removed just because they disrupt things.
I’m sorry but we’ve all seen the Ron Paul phenomena before. Half of you are not really reading what he says carefully and the other half are ignoring the gaps. So Ron Paul thinks gay marriage is not an issue for the Federal government and private property rights will solve everything? That’s pure baloney! ALL of the important inssues related to gay marriage are federal issues: income taxes, SSI benefits, immigration, etc. Just saying gay marriage should be a states rights issues completely abdicates any role by those who have the authority to do anything to right the gross injustices in these areas. Ron Pau thinks gay marriage should be the business of religion and the states? Would that be the same religions and states that denied similar rights to people of color for a few hundred years? Just what does he think is gays most stubborn enemy in this culture? (It’s Christians!) Personally, I couldn’t care less about the word marriage. I do care deeply about my lover in Peru who I will never be able to bring to the US – a right all of your straight people take for granted – until the Federal government changes its policies. Ron Paul is smart. He knows how to dribble off simple sounding pattitudes to those who are too lazy to really think issues through and who are waiting for a savior. Get a clue! He’s a socially conservative Christian. He’s no friend of gays, and just as Northern white “liberals” were detested by blacks because of their refusal to be honest, I see his simplistic attitudes to be nothing short of cynical, caluculated lies!
This webpage and everyone’s comments have been completely taken out of context. Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell isn’t about “disruptive behavior,” it’s about targeting gay men and lesbians.
A soldier, regardless of how well they perform can not even say they’re gay or in their own personal life be seen in a gay establishment without a serious risk of being kicked out.
Meanwhile their straight counterparts are free to discuss their sexual exploits without issue, among numerous other things.
Ron Paul said first and foremost that he supports this current policy. Not a policy that says disruptive behavior of any kind is not tolerated… but a policy that says a group of people are treated differently.
Simply put, he’s full of shit.
Read it:
“I think the current policy is a decent policy. And the problem that we have with dealing with this subject is we see people as groups, as they belong to certain groups and that they derive their rights as belonging to groups. We don’t get our rights because we’re gays or women or minorities. We get our rights from our Creator as individuals. So every individual should be treated the same way. So if there is homosexual behavior in the military that is disruptive, it should be dealt with. But if there’s heterosexual behavior that is disruptive, it should be dealt with. So it isn’t the issue of homosexuality. It’s the concept and the understanding of individual rights. If we understood that, we would not be dealing with this very important problem.”
What Ron Paul is most acclaimed for is his belief in people as individuals and his not-so-hypocritical stand on things.
Perhaps you should do more thorough research into what Mr. Paul really belives.
He claims himself to be a “libertarian.” Libertarianism is a political philosophy or a family of related political philosophies based on support for individual liberty.
So explain to me why Ron Paul supported the Defense of Marriage Act (1996) and cosponsored the Marriage Protection Act (2004), which constitutionally defined marriage to be union between a man and a woman.
Ron Paul also does not believe that homosexual parents have the right to adopt.
He was even quoted in 1993 as equating homosexuality with “sexual deviace.” He even went on to call Hillary Clinton (then the first lady) a “far leftist with very close female friends.”
Is this really where you want to put your vote? Behind a man who is this hypocritical and disrespectful? Behind someone who says he believes one way and then practices another?
I think not.
You all preach that Dr. Paul is honest and unwavering in his beliefs. Ron Paul is no different than any other candidate.
I suggest you all fill in the gaps and put your faith in a more solid candidate.
>>> “He even went on to call Hillary Clinton (then the first lady) a “far leftist with very close female friends.””
Is this really the best bash on Paul you have?
She is a far leftist…..one that has how many examples of corrupt campaign financing? gave back 800K already?
Is this your solid candidate? The one that preached support for Iraq military action in front of congress and now is the “candidate for change?”
“”He claims himself to be a “libertarian.” Libertarianism is a political philosophy or a family of related political philosophies based on support for individual liberty. “”
he does not he claims himself to be a constituionalist and a Libertarian-conservative.
If he is THE SAME? why do you goto such great lengths to single him out with such obscure examples. You need to watch his video from the debate again and see he is the only candidate not using canned responses.
He is the only one not repeating the same punchlines in either party.
But hey you have the right to have even the wrong opinion.
Ron Paul’s reasoning is not only anarchist in nature (libertarian extremism) but you have to pick his reasoning apart and break it down to the smallest component to get at the truth. When he talks about gays in the military for instance and says that we need to look at people as individuals, well that’s right; however he is in complete denial about how homosexual orientation has become a reason to kick heroic and patriotic Americans out of the military or ban them from service. If we took him at his word and implemented his philosophy people could discriminate on the basis of race, sexual orientation, etc. and get away with it because they could just say that race or orientation disrupts the military. Stop treating Ron Paul as though he is some sort of god who can do no wrong. His philosophies (some of them very good) still have their limitations and can cause harm.