34 Responses to “DREAM ACT Loopholes”

1. pAtty on September 20th, 2007 12:33 pm

   “Anyone with a GED and an anchor baby will be on the 6 year path to citizenship.” Are you sure? Anyone? This bill would NOT JUST BENEFIT ANYONE

   YOUR LOOPHOLES:

   To qualify, the immigrant student would have to meet certain [ALL]requirements such as:

   ***Proof of having arrived in the United States before reaching 16 years of age;

   ***Proof of residence in the United States for a least five (5) consecutive years since their date of arrival.

   ***Having graduated from an American High School, or obtained a GED.

   ***”Good moral character,” essentially defined as the absence of a significant criminal record (or any drug charges whatsoever).

2. Michael Kraft on September 20th, 2007 1:22 pm

   ***Proof of having arrived?
   ***Proof of residence?
   ***Having graduated from an American High School, or obtained a GED.
   I stated this - one 3 hour test fixes this, no US ID required.

   ***”Good moral character
   - based on what records? Which aliases? who gets to decide who is in or out?

   Proof? what real proof will there be.

   Also you fail to state that this is what is required to receive the permanant benefit. Just applying makes you un-deportable from day 1, even if all your proof turns out to be fake documents or false.

   So yes I am sure, go read the entire bill.

3. John on September 20th, 2007 2:54 pm

   Well if your ads support the Ann Coulter newsletter… no one should be surprised the you’re biased… and crazy.

4. Martin on September 20th, 2007 3:52 pm

   ***Proof - The proof they need is school records! how hard is that to understand, so you’re going to tell me that people will turn in false school records?? And if they did, the US gov. has to have the resources to catch it.
   ***Proof or residency, same thing. School records!!!
   ***Individuals hasn’t left the country for more than 90 days. THere you go, school records can solve that too. And even hospital bills.
   ***And about the criminal records, its called FINGERPRINTS!! everyone and i mean everyone gets finger printed after commiting a crime, so dont give me that BS about aliasis and records not being there!!

5. Martin on September 20th, 2007 3:56 pm

   I would benefit from this bill, and ill tell you what, to hear your comments just makes me want to write a book about how wrong you are. . .not to mention that mr Durbin has just added an age cap of 30. and instate tuition is also done with. The so called loop holes, youve “Created” dont exist. Stop spreading your hatrid with this propaganda!

6. Michael Kraft on September 20th, 2007 5:24 pm

   I did see the age cap change, that is a step in the right direction.

   If American laws were respected,followed or enforced there would be nothing to discuss, and our American congress could be trying to solve matters that would benefit the Americans they are there to serve.

7. Eduardo on September 20th, 2007 6:14 pm

   ….Benefit Americans they are there to serve? ==== What are you talking about?? This is an issue increasingly important to Americans. America is getting older by the second. These kids with the right training and education will provide what this country will need in a few years. Instead of continuing to bring students from abroad let’s prepare those that we have here and wish to better themselves. This is not about giving EVERYONE a chance, only those who can benefit this nation by educating themselves. Now, many of these kids were not able to make decisions for themselves as far as breaking any US law. They are here, they want to contribute to this great nation. Why not? We are not talking here about legalizing those who pick up the fruit and vegetables you eat everyday or cook and clean at the restaurant you eat for lunch with your office buddies. Nor are we talking about the guys who do your yard and/or helped to build your neighborhood. We’re talking about future professionals. They’re kids with dreams… come’on where did ol’lady Statue of Liberty and her motto was left. Let’s give her our tired and poor yearning to breathe free… and let’s see where her lamp at the golden door will lead them.

8. Juan on September 20th, 2007 6:29 pm

   glad to know you aren’t a lawyer since your analysis is horrible. to say that a person that came a year ago can benefit is crazy and beyond stupid.people will have to show many documents and and high school yearbooks.

   and yes, anyone can benefit by applying, but once immigartion sees the person isn’t DREAM they will get deported.

   this is by far one of the dumbest talking points i have seen against DREAM.

9. Michael Kraft on September 20th, 2007 7:22 pm

   Juan? High school yearbooks? is that in the official text somewhere? Youll have to show me where the proposal says they will bring high school yearbooks.

   and like 70% of America which does not want this amnesty, I dont believe any of the “laws” will ever get proper enforcement.

   Why would I, when it hasnt happened yet.
   

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   Eduardo, I do think it will be mostly good contributors, AND I HAVE LONG AGO proposed a militaryservice for full citizenship concept. I support that in a honest form.

   But why is this attached to a completely unrelated vote? why is this not up for vote alone like it should be?
   because 70% of Americans dont want this lie?

   Americans would be willing to help on OUR terms, Americans dont believe this fake amnesty bill congress is trying to hide from the public.

   Rework the bill so there is NO PETITIONING for your entire family.
   Make the requirement no GED or vocational schools and only upon completion of a degree (NOT JUST 2 YEARS ATTENDENCE).
   Make immediate deportation of anyone who applies and is not qualified or presents anything false. You apply you better be sure you are qualified. This is because it gives immunity to anyone who just applies.

   Make the list of degrees to choose from so there are no liberal arts majors.

   Do all this and I support instant full citizenship for these kids upon graduation.

   And make 4 years military service = to instant citizenship upon honorable discharge.

   As you may now see i support the kids, not this lie of a bill that is only designed to import voters.

   They should not be allowed to petition for any family ever though. Isn’t it their family that broke the laws to come here in the first place? they should never benefit from their part in this.

   They are getting enough generosity that their kids are getting the honor of citizenship.

10. Michael Kraft on September 20th, 2007 7:32 pm

    Eduardo, funny you should mention the statue of liberty which is the symbol of those legally entering the United States.

    “Ellis Island, at the mouth of the Hudson River in New York Harbor, was at one time the main entry facility for immigrants entering the United States from January 1, 1892 until November 12, 1954″

    The governments legal entry facility. Where true immigrants took the time and respect for America to stop at on their way to becoming Americans.

    On October 15, 1965, Ellis Island was proclaimed a part of Statue of Liberty National Monument,

11. Jason on September 20th, 2007 10:29 pm

    Mr. Kraft you make some very agreeable terms for this bill. I also don’t like the fact that it is being attached to the Defense spending bill, but this will urge the senators to vote on this quicker. If the bill was to stand on its own it will take too long for it to be consider up for a vote. But I feel that this is a piece of legislation that will benefit this country. I have heard many stories about these kids. I have met some of them including one of my really good friends. His point of view about the american dream was what made the dream act so appealing to me. He said, “I don’t want tuition breaks, I can careless if I am $120,000 in debt after I receive my Engineering degree. All I wan’t is a chance to succeed. I can do without any benefits that citizens get, If I can only have a legal status in this country the sky is the limit for me. I want to stop living in the shadows knowing that no matter how hard I try I’m always going to be a nobody.” His passionate words really moved me. We have been friends since our freshmen year in high school. I also remember how excited and determined to help he was when our church group went to New Orleans after katrina. if you only met this guy you would want to help him. Enough of that. I do think that the requirements you ask for are fully understable and accessible. But do you know how many people are willing to say yes to that? I don’t think that the problem here is, what are these kids willing to do to gain citizenship. The problem here is that america is full of hatred for anybody who came here illigally. I do not support illigal immigration or excuse these immigrants for coming here illigally. But i do feel for them. When you have experience the situations and have been in the environment they live in, it is hard not to. I have read many articles where ignorance seems to be the main topic. Commentators saying “why not just have snipers at the border and shoot on sight?” “I am tired of supporting these scumbags and all of their illegal children who are only destroying our country by not paying taxes and using all of our resources” I do feel that this is getting closer to being a race issue more than anything. I don’t see why we can’t support future well educated citizens achieve their goals whom will payback to this country, when we are spending billions of dallars a week on war that only benefits Iraq. (I SUPPORT OUR TROOPS 100% i just don’t like the fact that they are there) I find it hard to believe that people will look past the fact that these kids never really intended to break the law, their parents may have, all they did was follow. Is that a sin? and if it is how hard is it to forgive an Unconscious mind. Is that really a crime? and if it is, is getting a speeding ticket a crime? How great of a crime is it? I don’t justify their actions, but i am only human I’m allowed to be wrong and make bad decisions. If it was up to me to let the gomez brother stay, or my best friend Jose continue his third year in college, (where he pays 12,000 (out of state tuition at TN Tech U) a year and works two jobs just enough to finance his education) I would say, Here is your chance come back in six years and show me what you have done.

12. Daniel on September 20th, 2007 10:52 pm

    i pitty you. i don’t know if you’re christian or not, but i believe there’s something called forgiveness and a second opportunity, specially if you have not done it on purpose, plus, what would you do in these peoples’ shoes? wouldn’t you want a way to have equality? This is America, the land of opportunity, i think the opportunity should be given to those persons who put all their efforts trying to achieve what they could not do anywhere else but in the greatest country of all. stop being selfish and let the students achieve their dreams.

13. Michael Kraft on September 21st, 2007 1:59 am

    jason you sound like you have taken an honest well rounded lok at this. Illegal Immigrants demanding respect on TV, but Americans would like some shown to us and our rules too.

    There is a compromise out there, but people need to be told it has to happen on Americas terms then maybe we can talk.

    Thanks for the views.

    Mike

14. Laura on September 21st, 2007 3:15 am

    Kraft:
    You say that by 2016 the beneficiaries of DREAM will be able to vote. However, if the law should come into effect it would be in 2008. Ergo the six year temporary residency would be completed in 2014. After that comes permanent residency of which five years are required before applying for citizenship. Let’s do the math together. That would mean that your supposed voters would cast their first ballot in … 6 temp years + 5 perm years = 11 years from January of 2008 The youngest individual to benefit would have arrived in 2003, at the age of at least 15 ½ . So in 2008, s/he would be 20 ½ having been present for 5 consecutive years at the time of DREAM’S enactment and having graduated from high school and attended college for 2 and a half years. 11 years + 20.5 years = a 31.5 year old voter voting in 2019. You may have waited 18 years to vote but most of the DREAMERS will have waited at least 30 years of their life before saying “Yes, I am a registered voter who has voted, which is my duty and most of all my right as a citizen”. What is so scary about immigrant voters?
    Your second loophole flaw is in regards to proving continuous presence in the U.S. Do you believe that people live off of air? Besides school records these individuals are working to feed themselves and contribute to their households. There is a magical number abbreviated as I.T.I.N. (Individual Taxpayer Identification Number) which was devised by the IRS so that any and all individuals file taxes, undocumented people included. Tax records are already used by people who have lived in the U.S. for a minimum of 10 years in order to prove their presence and obtain legal residency. In addition, a 7 month wage absence would be obvious in tax records.
    Anyone getting paid ‘under the table’ and who is not attending school would not be able to prove their presence, thus not qualify for DREAM. As others have commented, you cannot falsify records such as school attendance and that goes for taxes as well.
    As to the concerns of the removal of conditional residency for extenuating circumstances such as family ties: family reunification is already a method for petitioning residency. It is not something that has come out of the blue; it has simply been highlighted in the DREAM Act. Spouses and family members have petitioned for their significant other and kin for years.
    In regards to uniformed service: No person ought to in their right mind form lines to fight in the invasion and I agree with you in that long lines will not be forming. However, there are individuals who would rather serve in, yes, the war, than attend college. According to migrationinformation.org 68,711 foreign born individuals serve in the military of which 40% originate from Latin America, where most undocumented migrants come from. Considering the circumstances individuals are highly likely to join the army, the navy, marines etc to prove loyalty to THEIR country, they one they have been raised in. Whether by their own will, enticement of recruiters, or for the DREAM of becoming citizens of the only country they know or have memories of (the United States), people will join, resident ‘foreigners’ are joining. You want legal immigrants, here is your chance, support legalization.

15. Carson on September 21st, 2007 6:29 am

    Dream Act???

    Why the special treatment?

    First the government comes in to our grade schools and tells us the children we are about to conceive are “unwanted” because the population is rising so fast and the resources are stretched to their limit.

    Then the Revolutionaries in the government decide there is plenty of room for the criminals in businesses illegal labor.

    On top of that we are stiffed with the medical and social services of the illegal invaders.

    Now you want us to send our kids straight to work to pay for these lowlifes and there illegal schemes.

    Give me a break.

    How much more of this do you think we OR the economy will stand?

16. Michael Kraft on September 21st, 2007 9:31 am

    Actually Laura permenant residents can vote in some loacal and state elections according to USCIS.gov.

    So that would be 6 years. then after 11 as you point out which is 2 presidents later we get the wave of full blown illegal immigrant voters.
    

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    “What is so scary about immigrant voters?” you asked.

    These are not immigrant voters, as keeps getting stated. These are “illegal immigrant voters” that have been intentionally given amnesty for the sole purpose of being special interest voters. Anyone that enters the country illegally should never be allowed to vote, it provides an incentive for politicians to pander to foreigners and aid in the crime of illegal immigration.

    77% of first generation voters vote DEM, which is the source of this amnesty in congress. To deny this obvious agenda is lying to yourself.
    

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    “There is a magical number abbreviated as I.T.I.N. (Individual Taxpayer Identification Number) which was devised by the IRS so that any and all individuals file taxes, undocumented people included. ”

    Anyone CAN FILE with an ITIN, are you telling me the guy I see in LA standing in a crowd in front of Home Depot goto H&R Block every year with the ITIN they personally requested so they can suddenly follow the law?

    Why do pro-amnesty folks assume illegals will suddenly follow immigration and tax laws when their track record upon arrival is 0-1?

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    “According to migrationinformation.org 68,711 foreign born individuals serve in the military of which 40% originate from Latin America, where most undocumented migrants come from”

    But since the percentage of total illegals from Latin America is around 65% it appears by your numbers they “serve” at a much lower rate than other illegals.

    Not that this is important, but your stats contradict your point.

    We should ask readers if illegal immigrants with no alligence to the United States is what America wants in the military? I know we can use anyone willing to help, but love and commitment to country is the basic requirement.

    With gang graffiti already showing up in IRAQ from gangs that have large illegal populations, perhaps it is not the best place to be recruiting and training with weapons.

17. Johnny on September 21st, 2007 11:44 am

    This country is a melting pot. As a nation we need to come together and work with each other. I don’t see this bill as an amnesty because its not like we wont be giving anything back on the contrary we will be contributing more than we already are. Why do you think people in this country have to get so many government aids? no documents to abtain a well paid job. We will be able to pay the taxes you so kindly rub in our faces everytime the immigration issue comes up. We are all paying a price to be in this country even the American people are paying a price. They share they’re country and we make it grow. I am sure those huge buildings in the cities dont go up on their own and i am sure the katrina disaster didnt clean itself up. I will close with one last question. Can someone please explain to me the 4 billion surplus in the Social Security Government Fund?

18. fern on September 21st, 2007 2:04 pm

    ok lets face the facts michael… americans need illegal immigrants. the only problem now is that illegal immigrants are tired of being illegal and being exploited. Thus amnesty, reform, or whatever you wanna call it will happen. Its politics so that why its taking long to pass, but it will get passed. All of us needs them!!!

19. frances on September 21st, 2007 7:54 pm

    It is so obvious, you and your ilk are scared to death that these fine young people will become democrats. So, lets punish these valuble people so republicains can remain in office, sounds fair to me…maybe they will become republicains if the rep. party would embrace them rather than reject them. This I beleive, it all boils down to race. If they were Canadians, we wouldn’t even be having this discussion

20. Michael Kraft on September 21st, 2007 8:50 pm

    Actually Fern no we dont.

    We have never had a shortage of anything they “provide”, not in the 90s, 80 or 60’s.

    Never has America needed illegal aliens.

    They need us. They dont come here to help us with their kind hearts they come to take what we have that they dont.

    81 % of america does not want them, thats not politics.

21. Michael Kraft on September 21st, 2007 8:53 pm

    “immigrants are tired of being illegal and being exploited”

    If this was true they would be heading south not north.

    This is such a lie.

22. Michael Kraft on September 21st, 2007 9:48 pm

    Actually Frances, the first generation was found to vote 77% democrat and by the third generation its down to 55%.

    The more they become Americans the more the tend to Vote Republican.

    “This I beleive, it all boils down to race. If they were Canadians, we wouldn’t even be having this discussion”

    You AND other anti-laws, pro amnesty supporters NEED it to be about race.

    There is no other argument other than pity, sympathy or race cards.

    The US laws put in place by the US senate over 20 years ago are on my side, AND 81% of the American voting public is on my side.

    That leaves 19% of Americans and 20 million law breaking foreigners on your side.

    This is why you NEED to claim its about race.

    I would suggest you read around the site and see me and my family’s race and nationality before you make assumptions, youll see how far you put your foot in your mouth.

    Pero, gracia por tu tiempo chamo, y chauuu.

23. fern on September 22nd, 2007 2:05 am

    The main reason why “immigrants” head north and not south is because south is the same their home town. USA has a lot of money and has a lot to offer. WHY?? not because its so lucky that they receive money from the sky and the other countries don’t. The real fact is that US manages every country “south” of its borders and loves it to stay that way because when “immigrants” are in need the only way to migrate is north. North for FAR more money than home, but extremely less than average. Thats why Cuba is so shitty now… because they didn’t do what the US says, so there is no foreign exchange. You see, immigrants have to play american rules and even if they live in their own country so why not come to america and work for more money and have better opportunities!!!

24. Dmitry on September 22nd, 2007 2:17 pm

    1. Think about one year old kid, who was brought here 16 years ago, and his parents never got legal status. He is an American 100%, do you agree?
    He was going to KinderCare, he was going to junior school, middle school, high school, all his friends are Americans, and he doesn’t even speak his native language. You mean to tell me that you are going to get this kid deported to the country were his was born? Don’t you think that people who stand behind this “policy” a bit out of their mind? How about you return all this kids that you “Americans” adopted to the country of their origins? Would you proclaim this as well? This is not some f….. Walmart crap; where you use stuff and then return it. This is people lives you talking about. This kid is not responsible for his parent’s action back then. Put all kids to jail if their parents committed a crime, is that what you want? Their parents committed crime? Didn’t they? They are felons? Or at least you want them to be!
    And how about you go and join the Army? Not enough guts?
    People who against DREAM ACT, just simply resists, I have nothing against illegal immigration, And I have a lot against people like you.

25. Dmitry on September 22nd, 2007 2:35 pm

    I meant to say that I have nothing against banning illegal immigration, I am against it, America should make point system just like Canada, and discontinue green Card lottery. As of me; I am from Russia, I’ve been here 9 years, I finished Northwestern state University, with double major in finance, I have a major from Russia as well. I paid for my education myself (not to give you a chance to tell me that you paid for it with your “tax” money), and I am immigrating to Canada in a couple of month, I would love to stay, but as you sad 81% Americans “hate us”. It took Canadian government 6 month to issue me a green card, it is broadband fast, I’ve been waiting for American one for 9 years, and nothing happened. Canadians people too, at least they get the job done right.
    Thank you.

26. Michael Kraft on September 22nd, 2007 5:04 pm

    “I would love to stay, but as you sad 81% Americans “hate us””

    Please don’t put words in other people mouth to try and make your point.

    81% of Americans do not want to give in state tuition or amnesty to illegals, as per the most recent state level DREAM votes.

    Why do you try and change that statistic to mean “81% of americans ‘hate us’?

    This goes with my above point that pro-amnesty “anti-law enforcement” groups always try to pretend enforcing the law is an act of hate.

    “it is broadband fast”

    they also have a tiny fraction of the demand to get in. Not really fair to compare Canada to the US who has more immigrants than any nation on earth.

    I agree with you that the US system is slow as death….I waited in those lines with my Wife, her parents, my kids. 12-14 months just to get a response back after each step in the LEGAL immigration process.

    Horrible and slow….But US citizenship is worth it in my opinion.

27. Michael Kraft on September 22nd, 2007 5:21 pm

    Hi Fern, glad you could take some time away from your Karl Marx meetup group to share wisdom like this:

    “Thats why Cuba is so shitty now… because they didn’t do what the US says, so there is no foreign exchange”

    Had nothing to do with trying to import Nuclear cruise missles to point at Miami.

    I love how commie-lovers like this say that CUBA is poor because we wont trade with them.
    Trade with Chavez then, and china and India and Europe, Brazil, Mexico, Canada and the rest of the world.
    We are fine without them, so why can’t they get along without us?

    If their communist system is so great then why isn’t it self sufficient?

    Its all the US’s fault, bush is the devil, every corrupt president south of Texas is working for the CIA……Castro is a great guy and we’re the tyrants…

    My patience with leftists who expect Amercia to feel guilty for prosperity is almost too much to bare. Countries instill military “leaders for life” then wonder why they don’t ever find economic success.

28. fern on September 22nd, 2007 9:36 pm

    Michael,
    I NEVER said communism was a good thing, i meant to point out that when a country does not follow “American” guideliness it might as well become communist. Reasoning behind this is that EVERY latin american country is in Debt with the US ( we are not talking small amounts) enough for the US to do whatever they want with each country. Sure US sends money, food, and medicine, but wouldn’t you do the same for your own employees if they were in a tight situation. Back to the illegal immigrant issue, If you really believe the DREAM ACT is just a phony bill or just the idea of helping illegal immigrants what should we do with them?? There are approximately 14 million illegals in this country… tell me your solution please!! I want to see how phony your answer is. And please if its a brilliant idea i will personally give you my vote as a citizen of this country for you to be the next president cause any of our so called “leaders” could come up with a wise one.

29. Michael Kraft on September 22nd, 2007 10:05 pm

    EVERY? Cuba and Venezuela are in debt to the US too? And Ecuador just decided to default on all world bank loans last I heard. But again that is off topic.

    STEP #1. Enforce the US laws.Put the military on the border (JUST LIKE MEXICO HAS THE MILITARY ON THEIR SOUTHERN BORDER - the hypocrites).

    Fly 5,000 American flags on the border with 20,000 soldiers protecting our nation and economy. Just like Del Rio texas ended their illegal influx, 6 months jail time for anyone crossing, no questions asked. Then deported on release. Go read how this ended Del Rio, Texas’s problems.

    If Mexico doesnt like it, perhaps they should provide more incentive for their citizens to stay. You realize that if ever illegal in our country went home and voted they could elect whomever they want to the office of president. 20,000,000 votes would be enough to win every state and the presidential election in their country, maybe far fetched but true.

    You want to know why they pretend its “awful” for us to build a wall?
    Because it works. AND money sent from the US to families in Mexico is the second largest source of money in their nation behind oil.’

    Leeching money out of our economy is their largest largest commodity, that is a fact.

    #2 - Allow businesses to sue competition that hires illegals. There was a case in california last year from a construction comapny. YOU NEVER HEARD ABOUT IT? thats right, they didnt want that great idea getting around.

    Unfair business practice and unfair competition.

    If my painting company goes out of business because I wont hire illegals for $5 an hour, then that is clear damages from the crimes of those that do. If my compeition breaks the laws to underbid me, then that is great reason to sue.

    THE ONLY THING MORE POWERFUL than our government intentionally selling us out is “ambulance chasing lawyers”.

    When you see a TV commercial that says, “is your competition hiring illegals to undercut you?” Call me and Ill get you cash.

    This would be an explosion of TV commercials and lawsuits and you would see the end of hiring illegals.

    Private business would do what the government wont. Enforce laws.

    THAT WOULD END THE HIRING OF ILLEGALS very fast, since million dollar civil lawsuits are alot scarier that ICE raiding and they all return 7 days later.
    And this would save our government a fortune since after about the first 50 lawsuits every business would clean up their own act very fast.

    POINT -> IF we did put a real wall of manpower on the border in the form of miltary and a real wall as WAS SIGNED INTO LAW in 2005 but never built.

    THEN I would back the idea of making all dream act candidates legal, all those paying taxes for the last 5 years legal and all those parents of DREAM ACT children legal.

    Any illegal with a 4 year degree i would make legal. Any illegal that served in the military I would make legal.

    The thing is, I need to know the problem is solved before I would be ready to do MY PART.

30. Michael Kraft on September 22nd, 2007 10:20 pm

    Put all kids to jail if their parents committed a crime, is that what you want? Their parents committed crime? Didn’t they? They are felons? Or at least you want them to be!
    And how about you go and join the Army? Not enough guts?
    People who against DREAM ACT, just simply resists, I have nothing against illegal immigration, And I have a lot against people like you.

    Who said felons, who said put kids in jail? where are you inventing this melodrama?

    Also, you said the US is not your country, so perhaps you don’t understand.

31. fern on September 22nd, 2007 11:19 pm

    ok so you get rid of illegals in this country and give amnesty to the people who deserve it after the problem is fixed (border and national security). Can you tell me why the United States is in Iraq? Lets assume its not personal interest and its to help out the country and free their people. Can you tell me how many countries south of the border will turn into another Iraq if no more migration happens? Im 99% sure the United States will be there to help and send troops and spend billions of “American Tax Dollars” to pay for foreign problems ( keep in mind you are not getting anything in return). Not only will you lose money (after all its just money), but you will lose American lives and deprive military families from enjoying beautiful United States. Don’t you think its FAR better to help people who are already in this country and get something in return.

    About your lawsuit example, do you think illegal immigrants want to work for $5 an hour knowing their legal fellow co-workers are earning $12 an hour? Maybe if they fix their legal status they can ask for higher wages and maybe the 30% of the illegal immigrants who do not pay taxes will do so and as you know the higher the income, the higher tax bracket one enters. Its the best of both worlds. Government will get more than their fair share when immigrants file their taxes and people like you wont get to whine about it. They committed a crime? yes a crime to succeed in life and to have better opportunities in life. Punishment? if you guys are worried about paying for illegals ( emergency rooms, education, and any other claims) there should be a fine per illegal for the amount of years they lived in this country illegally and they did not pay any taxes. does the amount of $5000 per illegal for entering illegally sound good, plus pay back taxes they owe for the past years. should be another $3000 average per person. 14 million immigrants times $8000 dollars is 1.12 trillion dollars back!! sounds good to you? I’m sure illegal immigrants who really made a future for themselves have it saved ( people who will help out this country!! its a give and get deal!!

32. Michael Kraft on September 23rd, 2007 12:07 am

    I had been waiting for someone to say this has some connection to the war.

    “does the amount of $5000 per illegal for entering illegally sound good, plus pay back taxes they owe for the past years. should be another $3000 average per person. 14 million immigrants times $8000 dollars is 1.12 trillion dollars back!! ”

    If you think amnesty for past crimes and citizenship in the US is only worth $8000 then that would work for you. Didnt congress suggest this, but since they are so exploited they would get amnesty now and not have to pay until they could afford it.

    Another pretend plan to get “theirs first” and “ours never” like 1986.

    “Maybe if they fix their legal status they can ask for higher wages”
    Wait then they arnt “doing the jobs americans wont” which is the liberal argument for why they are so important?

    “plus pay back taxes they owe for the past years. should be another $3000 average per person”

    Im sure we can just ask them how much they made, and im not sure what tax bracket you are referring to, but if a family is making $35,000 and has 3 kids, which sounds like a hgih end figure for most “exploited” workers, then it sounds like with earned interest credits and kids we will be paying out tax returns and not taking revenue anyway.

    You seem to think they have committed no crime, or its ok that they did because they needed to, or that US citizenship is dispensible, I dont agree with these points. if my neighbor has more food in his fridge I dont get to climb through his window and take some of his milk because I dont have any. This is why we have a first world country, because laws dictate order.

    “Im 99% sure the United States will be there to help and send troops and spend billions of “American Tax Dollars” to pay for foreign problems “

    First, dont assume I support the war, I see errors in both sides of this matter currently….but not a blind supporter.

    How about we dont use this money to help illegals, we use OUR money to pass around amongst our own lower class, instead of using it to help other countries lower class. even if its not money, let us use our resources for our citizens that need it.

    “Don’t you think its FAR better to help people who are already in this country and get something in return. “

    No, its FAR better to help Americas poor first. Living in the US doesnt make you an American.

    Lets give that low in-state tuition and work study jobs to inner city youth from expensive northern college states like in Detroit, Cleveland and Cincinnatti.

    These kids in state tuition is almost as high as California out of state tuition.

    But there is no DREAM act to help them afford it?

    Ill bet kids in OHIO with 8700 instate tuition would love to goto California universities for 3400.
    Give then the work study jobs, give them in state charges too. Those American’s need a DREAM, nobody pandering to them?

    They are Americans, they are what needs to come first in America.

    We can find a solution that is on america’s terms, that is the people of America, not the senate that ignores the majority.
    While this DREAM ACT has the right ideas and goals, it is intentionally badly written to be abused.

    Come on, its attached to the military budget so that it will get passed because it cant ever pass on its own merits.
    We all know that is intentional, even you know thats a scam to pass it.

    I respect your right to any opinion and your desire to help is the right intentions. On a personal level I much prefer the company of latinos in my life, I like the religious and family values, and same tight family bonds i share with my family.

    The only issue most conservatives can’t get past is allowing our government to ignore our own laws against the will of 3/4’s of American voters.
    That is disgraceful no matter what the issue, and no matter what is right.

    Congress is there to represent our wills not control them.

33. zeezil on September 23rd, 2007 2:37 am

    Just say NO to piecemeal, back-door schemes to give amnesty to illegal aliens!

    Just say NO to providing in-state college tuition and a path to citizenship to illegal aliens!

    Just say NO to the 10 states currently openly flaunting federal law by providing in-state tuition to illegal aliens!

    Just say NO to providing even $1 of taxpayer money as grants or loans to illegal aliens!

    Just say NO to providing further taxpayer funded education to illegal aliens so they can compete with citizens for jobs!

    Just say NO to allowing illegal aliens to compete with student citizens for the limited pool of college federal grants and loans!

    Just say NO to allowing even one illegal alien to take a college admission away from a deserving American citizen!

    Just say NO to the pundits at the CFR and military desk jockeys who say putting illegal aliens into the military is a good idea!

    Just say NO to the military’s “foreign legion” ploy to enlist thousand of Hispanics to use as cannon fodder in the Middle East!

    Just say NO to allowing illegal aliens to serve in the military for the sole purpose of obtaining a green card while patriotic citizen soldiers are serving because of their respect and love for America!

    Just say NO to the “uniformed services” provision that could even allow an illegal alien to gain employment with the Department of Homeland Security, the very agency that is charged to prevent illegal entry into the country!

    Just say NO to the massive document and application fraud that undeniably will occur in the processing of amnesty!

    Just say NO to the massive chain migration that will be enabled by the amnesty!

    Just say NO to the “hardship provision” that provides amnesty to those who couldn’t get the amnesty!

    Just say NO to providing another magnet that encourages more invasion into America!

    Just say NO to rewarding the illegality of being in America illegally!

    JUST SAY NO TO THE DREAM ACT AMENDMENT!!!

    Say YES to the rule of law and to protecting the rights, wants, needs and desires of the American Citizen!!!

34. zeezil on September 26th, 2007 12:56 pm

    Do not let Senator Dick Durbin rewrite military recruitment law with the DREAM Act!

    Do not let Dick Durbin conduct a grand social experiment in illegal alien servitude in the U.S. military.

    Illegal aliens have never been allowed to serve in the U.S. Armed Forces. Now, Dick Durbin wants to rewrite the law. It is absolutely unacceptable to promote, much less actively recruit and accept illegal aliens into the military. The dangle of a permanent green card offered by Durbin is what the attraction is, not servitude for patriotism and love of America. How willing will these illegals be to continue their military service after 2 years when they receive their green cards?

    I do not want my sons and daughters serving alongside illegal aliens bideing their time in the military until they receive their green cards.

    The application process for this amnesty is ripe with fraud. It is well known that gang leaders encourage their “soldiers” to attempt entry into the U.S. military is order to receive training in weapons and military techniques. The DREAM Act will make this an open invitation.

    Furthermore, there is no requirement that the illegals be able to speak English. This would cause huge training and communication issues. If Dick Durbin really feels that this is a non issue in that the illegals would already be “English capable”, then why isn’t the requirement written into the DREAM Act?

    Open borders and amnesty loving Senators and Congressmen have already allowed destruction to the social, cultural and economic sytems in our country. God forbid they do the same to the U.S. military!

    There are many reasons to SAY NO TO THE DREAM ACT. The military service option is just one of the many problems with this amnesty legislation.

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