Ron Paul Vs Huckabee
Author: Michael Kraft
Ding, ding…..
Well Ron Paul didn’t get a question until 9:31PM EST, half an hour after the debate started. Once he did get to speak, he was fired up, angry and standing next to “all around nice guy” Mike Huckabee.
This was the highlight of the debate, and what I saw as the turning point for Mike Huckabee.
Huckabee had been on his way to winning the debate but tangling with an angry Ron Paul left him without much more to say.
He is a fine man, and I think he will get the nod as someones VP choice, but he had no more ammo in his guns other than patriotic slogans while Ron Paul was shoting about the legality of the war as per the Constitution.
Here is the exchange from FOX news.
You can also see the Ron Paul vs. Mike Huckabee video here.
Also stop by here and see our final debate grades. We have Huckabee tied as the winner and Ron Paul second.
This exchange I feel Ron Paul was in the right and speaking the truth. I think Huckabee would have been a clear winner before he made the mistake of trying to argue facts with Dr. Paul. I like Mike Huckabee, but Ron Paul is so truthful and so inspiring that one shouldn’t toe to toe with him on a stage.
All this aside, read the transcript and decide for yourself, or go here and see our scores.
“Texas Rep. Ron Paul stirred a lot of excitement by repeating his anti-war stance, getting into a sparring match with Huckabee over whether it’s time for the United States to leave Iraq.
“Going into Iraq and Afghanistan and threatening Iran is the worst thing we can do for our national security. I am less safe, the American people are less safe for this. It’s the policy that is wrong,” Paul said, adding that he disagrees with war supporters who warn against leaving prematurely.
“The people who say there will be a bloodbath are the ones who said it will be a cakewalk or it will be a slam dunk, and that it will be paid for by oil. Why believe them?” he asked.
In response, Huckabee said that the United States agreed before the war started that if they break Iraq, it must buy it.
“Congressman, whether or not we should have gone to Iraq is a discussion the historians can have, but we’re there. We bought it because we broke it. We’ve got a responsibility to the honor of this country and to the honor of every man and woman who has served in Iraq and ever served in our military to not leave them with anything less than the honor that they deserve,” Huckabee said.
Paul then responded: “The American people didn’t go in. A few people advising this administration, a small number of people called the neoconservatives hijacked our foreign policy. They’re responsible, not the American people.”
Huckabee retorted that the United States is one nation. “We can’t be divided. We have to be one nation, under God. That means if we make a mistake, we make it as a single country: the United States of America, not the divided states of America,” he said.
“No, when we make a mistake — when we make a mistake, it is the obligation of the people, through their representatives, to correct the mistake, not to continue the mistake,” Paul replied.
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This was the highlight for me, as well. I think Ron Paul hit the nail on the head: Saving face is not a good reason to risk more brave soldiers’ lives.
Ron Paul has 35% of the post debate poll and has a huge lead over Giuliani at 17%
CNN and Fox News BOTH left out Ron Paul’s final response when recounting the exchange:
“We have lost over 5000 over there in Afganistan and Iraq. How many more do you want to lose? How long are you going to be there? How long? What do we have to pay to save face? Thats all we’re doing is saving face. Its time we come home.”
Ron Paul is Right. The Federal government defied or deceived the people (however you want to look at it), and did not perform its function of executing the will of the people within the confines of the constitution.
More loss of life will never make this right.
“saving face”? Leaving Iraq, just as progress is being made with our soldiers there safer, Al Qaeda in Iraq diminishing, and bridges between formerly warring factions are being build is “saving face?”
Sounds like a cowards way out to me… We need to finish what we started- and if we made a mess clean it up. Then we can leave.
We sat on our hands for 10 years before 9/11 and look what that got us!…….this is NOT about saving our face but more about saving our ASS! Bring our troops home now and the terrorist’s are right behind them, coming HERE! We act so impatient, this is not a TV channel we just click and its over, Please dont tell me it will take 30,000 people being killed at a football game or concert to REMIND US why we are fighting abroad now.
Ron Paul is right! This debate has solidified my choice for him as our next president. His vision is clear, the message is to be at peace with our neighors by winning alliances through fair trade and constitutional diplomacy. I’m not afraid of a couple of crazy bearded men in the caves of Afghanistan. Our government should get out of the nation building business and focus on fixing the problems we have here at home!
This “debate” was rigged from the beginning. The moderators either had the literacy comprehension of a 4 year old or they were out to get Paul. They used the strawman argument on him in just about every question. They say that Paul would have passengers in planes carry guns while Paul said the airlines should be allowed to arm its employees. They say Ron Paul would abolish the CIA and the FBI when Paul has said he would get rid of the Department of Homeland Security.
How can they call themselves a news network when somebody at the panel laughs at Paul everytime his name was called? What kind of a news organization asks questions like “are you taking marching orders from Al Qaeda?” What kind of a journalist assumes that all votes for Ron Paul comes from viewers who voted multiple times? It’s impossible to text vote more than once!
Double burn!! Incinerator!
RP is tearing it up!
“Bring our troops home now and the terrorist’s are right behind them, coming HERE!”
Why would they come here? The only reason they’re angry with us is because we’ve occupied their backyard for a decade. Imagine if China was in North America; we wouldn’t like that very much, would we?
Ron Paul debated with substance; Huckabee just espoused boring rhetoric. Paul was clearly the winner there.
Eric. Where there any Iaqi in the plane that hit the towers? We are fighting an ideal the best way to stop an ideal is to show that there is a better way. Ron paul is right we can’t people mine by force.
Ron Paul is right, why risk another life, another soldier just to say we have more guns, than our tanks are bigger and we will kill anyone who opposes us. come home, save unnecesary death of civilians, reporters, soldiers, refugees, people dying in the dessert fleeing the war.
My vote is going to Ron Paul, the man understands that america is losing its Liberty.
I just finished reading John Stuart Mill’s paper “On Libert” and Ron Paul is exactly the type of character Mill wants.
We need to solve the big issues - Israel/Palestine
Liberty
Central Government
some responses to the comments I just read:
Eric T, just what would we do if 30,000 people were killed at a football game? Invade Iran? Even if the perpetrators of that crime were ALSO Saudis? Stop being a puppet for the Bush-Saudi royal family!
Jeff Mapson, sometimes the people who make the mess simply are not able to clean it up. And what evidence do you have that “al qaeda in iraq” is diminishing? And what does that matter anyway, since al qaeda is only responsible for 5% of all attacks in iraq?
Its really bad when Fox leaves out some of the candidates Paul, Tancredo etc until about 30 minutes into the debate. What kind of debate is that? Terrible
I did like what Ron Paul said. not sure why they are leaving the part out that made the most sense.
“We have lost over 5000 over there in Afganistan and Iraq. How many more do you want to lose? How long are you going to be there? How long? What do we have to pay to save face? Thats all we’re doing is saving face. Its time we come home.”
Ron Paul broke multiple taboos at the debate.
He criticized Israel
He stated that Israel HAS nukes, which is something to be assumed but not stated
He criticized Saudi Arabia by mentioning its influence in Iraq (Sunnis) as a counterargument to Iran’s involvement (Shia).
Criticizing the Saudis and the propaganda of the Lobby is not allowed.
Huckabee WON THIS DEBATE!
I agree Huckabee was very good. I think he will be chosen to run with Fred Thompson, it would work and he is very likeable.
Actually it was exactly 9:31 EST when Paul got asked his first question.
Disgraceful even for FOX.
American honor was lost when we invaded and occupied Iraq. Continuing this folly does not bring honor or restore honor because it is dishonorable to kill a bunch of people who had nothing to do with 9/11. We can stay there for a 1000 yrs. and not achieve honor.
Dr. Paul understands our government screwed
up and continuing the screw-up is a DIS-honor.
Hey Chris S, you will have to excuse Ron Paul for stating the facts. Sometimes people don’t want to hear the facts, but with the current situation we are in I feel that it is important for people to know. I served in the Air Force from 2000-2004 and I was deployed to the Middle East on Valentines day in 2003 for the beginning of the war. Ron Paul is RIGHT when he talks about our foreign policy. The Iraq war was a mistake and people better start waking up to what Ron Paul is saying. People can only be ignorant for so long. Paul is giving the people the correct message and those who choose to ignore it will then have blood on THEIR hands!
I can understand why the last line of defense in support of continued undeclared and unlawful war is honor.
I am very ashamed to admit that when this war started on 9/11 nearly EIGHT YEARS ago, I was gun hoe and ready to sign up in the military and go fight some A-RABS. My honor severely degraded on that day. Even though the sounds and images of 9/11 will be forever seared in to my head, my heart and soul tell me that the loss of honor I felt will never be regained.
Back then, I was 23 years old and a disgruntled lower middle class jerk who needed something, anything to strike out against. I didn’t join the military because I was cowardly, and most of all greedy. I knew I could break in to the upper middle lass in a few more years.
Today, I am 30 solidly upper middle class. I have learned some hard lessons in life. I continue to pursue my career as Technical Analysts for a major Bank. The biggest lesson I learned is that my actions and my words will stay with me forever.
I can never take back the time I spent in front of the TV cheering on the USA war machine 24/7’s rush to Baghdad. In a lot of ways I am still waiting for shock and awe. What I learned from this debate is the reason why it took me 7 years to figure out how sorry I was back then.
There is no honor in war. There is only life and death. As an American, I was born in to a free nation that celebrates Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. My right, as is the right of all humans, is what America stands for.
In this debate, the only candidate who stands up for my right is Ron Paul. Not because he wants to leave the Middle East. Ron Paul is the only man on the stage that flat understands people, individuals with rights, the same rights as I claim as an American citizen, are dying at the hands of a ruthless and out of control government that speaks of honoring our hero’s while simultaneous sending those hero’s to butcher and maim in the name of “Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.”
Sorry, there is no honor left, only more dead people.
Here’s a thought? Why don’t we let the soldiers tell us if they feel they are making headway in Iraq? Let them vote on whether to stay or leave. Who better than those serving over there?
Amen Shelley.
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I am currently studying in New Zealand, and rooming with a guy from Iran…it’s pretty obvious that our foreign policy comes across very arrogantly (in both NZ & Iran)…would we tolerate their heavy presence in North America? We could bring our troops home, focus on protecting our national security, not waste international support (which was impressively large just after 9/11), and raise effeciency and effectiveness in domestic intelligence and military programs (the beginnings of which is what has improved our national security since 9/11 rather than the Iraq War). We can’t afford to do both either financially or militarily. Perhaps one mistake in Afghanistan I can forgive, but Iraq or Iran…just extremely poor judgment and lack foresight. But hey…maybe if we followed Bush’s strategy (or really that of his advisors) and sold weapons to the Saudi’s to counteract the new power vacuum we’ve created in favor of Iran…that might help prevent future terrorist attacks! :-P So how many more multiple 30,000 terrorist activities can we prevent if we elect Ron Paul…probably many more than our government would like to admit. I’m not a Republican, but I will be when I vote in Florida’s primary next year. Ron Paul ‘08!
Servicemen are not allowed to speak their minds, but they are allowed to spend their money. Ron Paul has received more contributions from them than anybody else.
They know this war is a shameful waste.
I notice nobody bashes Huckabee like they would others. Even when I don’t agree with him, I still find him likable and sincere.
I don’t agree with him on some matters, but again, he’s hard to dislike personally.
Ron Paul provided some fire tonight, which made up for the unfair time amounts towards the candidates. Mike Huckabee is respectable. Ron Paul is my President.
Huckabee seems to be a solid candidate but I could not vote for a commander in chief who would go against the recommendation of his field generals.
Aside Huckabee apparently believing that America is more about honor in defeat (repub party, not the military) and damn the constitution and its meddlesome laws for the national gov’t, here is where I ask the reader to compare these statements.
“The surge will run its course . . . There are limits to what our military can provide, so my recommendations have to be informed by – not driven by – but they have to be informed by the strain we have put on our military services,” Gen Petraeus told ABC news.
“We have to continue the surge,” said Huckabee.
Why do we have to continue the surge Mike? What do we gain by straining our troops even further? We have been “surging” for 7 years! Surge = Shock and Awe = War on Terror.
These are hollow words and not grounded in any principle. Lets talk about honor again. How is it honorable to continue to “Surge” our strained military? Wouldn’t it be more honorable to set some realistic goals for these brave and selfless volunteers and congratulate them for planting our flag in the middle of downtown terror central? They did their jobs already.
Now let them enjoy their success. And let us stop paying for honor over and over again to the tune of 7.4 million dollars an hour.
Let me be clear, I love our troops and have a tremendous amount of honor and respect for all of our armed forces, civil servants, firemen, policemen. I work my ass off everyday to be as efficient and profitable as I can be and spend at least 30% of my day sacrificing for my fellow Americans.
Unfortunately, we as a nation have made more than a few mistakes that have created our own crisis. Every day millions of Americans have to decide to either buy food or go to the dentist. A growing number of Americans are being forced in to substandard education. Our money is growing weaker and weaker. We are being sucked dry in our lust for that elusive thing called honor. For what? So we can stand next to a soldier in the slave pit and say hey man, you are my hero.
Think about it folks. 7.4 million an hour for 160k troops. In a regular job thats 43.75 bucks an hour. But we pay our troops 24/7. Thats 1,050 per troop per day. In your regular 8 hour a day shift, thats 131 bucks an hour.
Not saying it should be more or less. I am upper middle class and thats 3 times what I make an hour. That to me is haunting. Not because I am still greedy, but because when I think how much I do everyday to make my living, and then think that it doesnt even pay for 1/3 of what it cost to keep a soldier fighting for HONOR halfway around the world!
I thought football was excessive. This war is nuts and the spending on it is what is causing our country to sink. Trust me, there are not that many 90k/year jobs being created out there.
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Thanks for the good read.
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Ron Paul rocked tonight. Democrats. you are next….
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after watching the debate, im embarrased to say i supported huckabee…
im now a Ron Paul supporter!
there is no honor in sacraficing 5000 soldiers!
There was a elementary school like snickering ridicule I suspect was coming from Mayor Rudy. I would imagine his supporters would be very embarassed at his antics… not very statesman like.
More to the point, as I watched the gentlemen speak to the points of Iran & Iraq, I was strangly reminded of the “Goldstien” rantings of Orwell’s Party…
For my part, I find Dr. Paul’s comments the most sincere, direct, and educated from the whole lot of them. I didn’t hear enough of his stances; however, he now very much so has my ear.
i am normally a left-wing, commie, pinko.
but, given the “choice?” between the current stable of democratic wanna-be’s and what i have been hearing about ron paul, i would vote for ron in an instant.
but then, if the republican party had any inclination at all to win the next election, they’d be doing everything and anything to persuade gen. colin powell to reconsider…
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Huckabee’s argument on HONOR (really, saving face) may be inviting, but it misses one key thing: with every day we are in Iraq, the U.S. honor is besmirched and dragged down further by world opinion. Our “noble mission,” falsely represented by the few elites who know it all, has turned into one of occupation, meddling, and corporate profiteering. Where is the HONOR in this?
Well, we’ve won the war (tactically)–and we can leave as we promised. But, rules of the game change–now we are told, we can’t leave so fast. We’ve got to “fix what we broke.” Well, we can’t fix it with the barrel of a gun. What we’ve got to fix is how the American people can control their own government and influence bad decision-making and bad leadership.
Paul is right. Our foreign policy has been hiacked by intellectual elites who JUST CAN’T CHANGE. They are the stain on this country’s HONOR–they need to be packed up and shipped out to any country that would take them.
From the onset of this debacle, Romney was already stealing Paul’s position on abortion advocating the states rights doctrine in deterrmining this issue, sound familiar? Next all but Paul feel that the executive powers are absolute in war mongering, only Paul would seek a declaration of war. Paul knows his foreign policy, while the others act as though they have all authority as to how to divide up a conquered Iraq, WTF? I also noticed that Romney, Ghoulianni and McCain, got most of the questions and air time while the questions towards Paul were loaded and sarcastic. Finally, the post debate interview with the ignorant scumbag hannity proved to me what a pompous ass he was while trying to “teach” Ron Paul history and policy and then claiming how the Paulites are dialing their phones over and over to get the desired results for the winner of the debate. For the record, I texted once. Pretty disgusting. Yup, It’s RP for me!
Paul in response to a very loaded question (nothing new there) : “No, I am saying we should be taking our marching orders from the Constitution.”
The most revealing part of this was not Dr. Paul’s comment but rather the BOOS IT RECIEVED BY SOME IN THE AUDIANCE! This is very telling to me, and very disturbing.
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I have always idly sat by while the political process proceeded. I watched Baseball and Football, I watched rental videos, went fishing and out to dinners with my wife and children.
The reason I have never been involved in the political process, as I have just come to realise is the simple fact that no candidate has ever expressed views that felt represented my views and the views of the people who I know in my everyday life.
I never really new what the “old ” republican party stood for until Dr.Paul educated me.
I urge everyone who reads this to drop whatever party affiliations you may have and listen to what Dr. Ron Paul has to say.
Forget all of your preconcieved notions of left or right .
Let your intellectual side be your guide.
Let your knowledge of right and wrong be your guide.
Remember that everyone can vote in the primaries.If enough democrats went to each end every republican primary we would be able to vote in Dr. Ron Paul as the republican candidate. Then our choice would be between two candidates that support our immediate exit from Iraq.
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hegraduates on Oct. 5th then he will spend 7 months in advanced technical training.
That give me 8 months before I have to start worrying about a knock coming to my door to tell that something horrible has happened.
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Chrisconlin,
Those “boos” were because Fox News put Rudy’s face up on the big screens in the stadium. Nobody was booing Dr. Paul.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJkfVdMEx5k
Think it wasn’t deliberate? Just listen to Guiliani talking to Sean Hannity after the debate referencing the boos like they were for Ron Paul, not him.
They were booing at Guiliani’s smug little look and because they thought it was set up to bring Rudy into the debate.
Rudy, Clinton, Mitt, Obama, it does not matter. Unfortunately it took segregationist Governor Wallace to reveal the truth that “there’s not a dime’s worth of difference between” Republicans and Democrats. The Democrats willingly went along with the War in Iraq, suspension of Habeas Corpus, detaining protesters, banning books like “America Deceived’ from Amazon, stealing private lands (Kelo decision), warrant-less wiretapping and refusing to investigate 9/11 properly. They are both guilty of treason. Now the Democrats put ‘Hate Speech” laws
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